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Disappointment with Test E & P 4 years 9 months ago #9896

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Tomorrow i will be starting week 5 of my Test E and P cycle. Previous cycle I ran Test E only, with great results. This time I wanted to add in Test P for a kick start (First 4 weeks) since the E does take a few weeks to kick in. Yesterday was my last pin of the Test P @ 100mg EOD. I have absolutely no strength gains, weight has remained the same, barely any aggression in the gym and feeling quite lethargic certain days, no increased vascularity, I almost feel softer than before I started. Hell I haven't even had a placebo affect whatsoever. I will be getting blood work done hopefully tomorrow and that will show what the issue is. I only wish I would have had bloods done before the Test E kicked in to prove if this prop is Junk or not. I really expected more from this cycle especially at week 5.

With this cycle I am shooting for a lean bulk and to cut a little. I have my calories set at around 2500-2800. My training method is not the issue either, I kill myself everyday in the gym and will not leave until I am completely gased. If I were to show a picture of myself 3 years ago vs now, everyone would understand that I put the work in plus some.

Stats: 26 yr, 5'10, 200lbs, around 13% BF. Second cycle

Test P 100mg EOD, week 1-4
Test E 250mg 2x week, Week 1-12
Hcg 250iu 2x week, week 1-PCT
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD, week 1-PCT

Let me know what you guys think, Blood work to come shortly!
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Disappointment with Test E & P 4 years 9 months ago #9897

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Off hand what I'm thinking, is that your E-2 is very high.

You not only have 2 Different Testosterone's that Aromatise.

But you tossed-in some HCG, which will also Spike Estrogen.

So I'm interested in seeing your Bloodwork..................... JP
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Normally, week 5 is when Test E kicks in due to it's Half-Life.
It takes 4 to 5 Half-Lives to reach Peak Blood Plasma.
10.5 Days is the Half-Life of Test E ~ 42 to 52 1/2 days to peak.

But you should have been feeling the Prop, unless like I suspect, your Estradiol is all out of whack.
Cause you're at 900 Mg of Test the 1st Week, and 800 Mg of Test the 2nd.
If you are on a True EOD.
That's a Whole Lot of Test for just 12.5 Mg of Aromasin !
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Disappointment with Test E & P 4 years 9 months ago #9898

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Who's test e are you using?
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Disappointment with Test E & P 4 years 9 months ago #9899

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jp4355 wrote:
Off hand what I'm thinking, is that your E-2 is very high.

You not only have 2 Different Testosterone's that Aromatise.

But you tossed-in some HCG, which will also Spike Estrogen.

So I'm interested in seeing your Bloodwork..................... JP
P.S.
Normally, week 5 is when Test E kicks in due to it's Half-Life.
It takes 4 to 5 Half-Lives to reach Peak Blood Plasma.
10.5 Days is the Half-Life of Test E ~ 42 to 52 1/2 days to peak.

But you should have been feeling the Prop, unless like I suspect, your Estradiol is all out of whack.
Cause you're at 900 Mg of Test the 1st Week, and 800 Mg of Test the 2nd.
If you are on a True EOD.
That's a Whole Lot of Test for just 12.5 Mg of Aromasin !


In the back of my mind High E2 is what I was almost thinking as well. I did have some nipple sensitivity in week 3 but not much. What do you say, bump the Aromasin up 12.5 ED? We will know more after bloods I suppose, but if that is the case. More Aromisin is my only option.
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Disappointment with Test E & P 4 years 9 months ago #9900

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Eleven wrote:
jp4355 wrote:
Off hand what I'm thinking, is that your E-2 is very high.

You not only have 2 Different Testosterone's that Aromatise.

But you tossed-in some HCG, which will also Spike Estrogen.

So I'm interested in seeing your Bloodwork..................... JP
P.S.
Normally, week 5 is when Test E kicks in due to it's Half-Life.
It takes 4 to 5 Half-Lives to reach Peak Blood Plasma.
10.5 Days is the Half-Life of Test E ~ 42 to 52 1/2 days to peak.

But you should have been feeling the Prop, unless like I suspect, your Estradiol is all out of whack.
Cause you're at 900 Mg of Test the 1st Week, and 800 Mg of Test the 2nd.
If you are on a True EOD.
That's a Whole Lot of Test for just 12.5 Mg of Aromasin !


In the back of my mind High E2 is what I was almost thinking as well. I did have some nipple sensitivity in week 3 but not much. What do you say, bump the Aromasin up 12.5 ED? We will know more after bloods I suppose, but if that is the case. More Aromisin is my only option.

With the amount of Test that you are doing.
Definitely go to 25 Mg EOD.
Then see what's what when you do the Bloodwork............... JP
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But from the amount of Test, it's the most likely culprit.

I've done High Test Dosages previously.
And I was taking 25 Mg of Aromasin EOD.
Plus I was taking Proviron @ 50 Mg a day, and it boosts the efficacy of any AI.
Cause Proviron also binds to the Aromatase Enzyme, not like an AI, but enough to give a boost.
Though I was taking it to Boost Free Test, but you get the benefit or some Estro binding, plus a Boost in Libido.
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Disappointment with Test E & P 4 years 9 months ago #9901

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I was curious where you got the test 250 since they don't sell it here that I'm aware of
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